Hi all, (I'm replying to this message through the listservice, so I don't have to copy all the e-mail addresses, hopefully everyone is signed up by now) ... I...
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webmaster@...
Jul 3, 2000 6:02 pm
http://www.ethologicalethics.org/founders.htm has the updated information about the two co-founders of EETA/CRABS Marc Bekoff and Jane Goodall ...
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Russell Benford
benford@...
Jul 3, 2000 6:02 pm
It has been proposed that we consider the ethics of toe clipping in ethological research. If I may be so bold, let me offer some general comments that might...
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Edwin Vaassen
RRRCT@...
Jul 11, 2000 7:55 pm
Dear all, First of all, I think it is a pitty that people do not use this opportunity provided by Mr. Bekhoff and Mrs. Goodall to use this e- mail list as it...
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Edwin Vaassen
RRRCT@...
Jul 11, 2000 10:55 pm
Dear All, Below Mr. Benford indicated the ethical problems for toe clipping and banding passerines. I agree it is not a very ethical way of research for these...
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Laura Quinlivan
lauraquinlivan@...
Jul 12, 2000 12:41 pm
Oh my goodness, Marc, you must have quite a headache by now. I agree with Edwin, more of us should be posting through the listservice, that's what it's there...
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Simon.Gadbois@...
Jul 12, 2000 3:19 pm
Hi all, First: I should mention that I am not the "young ethologist" that posted earlier. Second: since it apparently matters to some, I do not have the Ph.D....
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Edwin Vaassen
RRRCT@...
Jul 12, 2000 6:23 pm
Dear All, I think Simon has some good points to ask us where to pull the line of ethics. I will try to keep my comment short by adding the following; As long...
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Ryan McDowell
mcdowelr@...
Jul 12, 2000 8:58 pm
I would like to respond to and comment on the questions posed by Simon Gadbois. First off, I agree to a certain extent with some of the points made, but I...
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li
eevn@...
Jul 13, 2000 12:11 am
... My litmus test has always been 'is the animal self aware?', which basically excludes chimps, bonobos, and orang-utans. After that, I think experiments...
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Simon.Gadbois@...
Jul 13, 2000 6:51 pm
Hi, me again, A "mise-au point" (not being pompous here, I really don't know how to translate this) on some of my comments and replies to them: my reply in ...
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Ryan McDowell
mcdowelr@...
Jul 13, 2000 9:13 pm
Li made a suggestion to use the least intelligent species available. I understand the logic behind this comment, but I do not agree with it. First off,...
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Heidi Marcum
heidi_marcum@...
Jul 13, 2000 11:52 pm
Re: ethics 7/13/00 I must respond to Li's criteria for selecting which species to experiment on. Since the public generally...
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Edwin Vaassen
RRRCT@...
Jul 14, 2000 1:31 am
Dear All, I must say I completely agree with Ryan on the point that humans think they are more intelligent than non-humans. As a matter affect I wonder how...
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Howard Garrett
tokitae@...
Jul 14, 2000 11:25 am
Ryan questions how to measure intelligence in answer to Li's suggestion to use the least intelligent species for research. His reference to orcas rang a chord...
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David B.Morton
d.b.morton@...
Jul 14, 2000 11:29 am
Dear All, Some years ago I posed the question of whether one thought it was acceptable to carry out an experiment on a human in permanent vegetative state who...
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bondi@...
Jul 14, 2000 11:30 am
. I think it> might be useful to see what our thoughts are on WHAT animal behavior > research is acceptable. Can we obtain any consensus there? Ken Johnson...
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Laura Quinlivan
lauraquinlivan@...
Jul 14, 2000 1:00 pm
... I would like to ask li- li- how do you know that chimps, bonobos, and orangs are not self-aware? I cannot prove that they are, but I am fairly sure you...
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John Mulcahy
jbmulcahy@...
Jul 14, 2000 9:25 pm
I would like to comment on the notion that research needs may trump ethical concerns. I don’t think that the young ethologist is alone in his/her views. The...
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BEKOFF MARC
marc.bekoff@...
Jul 14, 2000 9:33 pm
Hello - I can now send anyone who's interested a copy of my paper on methods pasted in an e-mail message - I also just came across a paper that might be of...
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pferraterm@...
Jul 14, 2000 10:05 pm
I find it very encouraging to see that scientists are examining the ethical issues of animal research. As a philosopher, let me just add a few comments. First...
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pferraterm@...
Jul 15, 2000 5:13 am
I just realized that I juxtaposed the ethical question about feeding starving people across the oceans after posing the less serious ethical question about...
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BEKOFF MARC
marc.bekoff@...
Jul 15, 2000 1:18 pm
Hello - a number of people have suggested that one valuable resource would be a list of sources that are concerned with methodology, the influence of various...
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canis@...
Jul 15, 2000 6:22 pm
Regarding Priscilla's comments about feeding the starving, this is traditional oranges-apples dilemma thats been thrown up to deflect the institutionalization...
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pferraterm@...
Jul 15, 2000 9:24 pm
Mary Thurston has misunderstood my comments, due no doubt to the unfortunate way I juxtaposed two examples. I was merely trying to point out that if one is to...
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canis@...
Jul 15, 2000 9:42 pm
My apologies Priscilla, I did indeed misunderstand. I appreciate your thoughts on exploring the roots of this particular philospophical issue, one which has...
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Russell Benford
benford@...
Jul 15, 2000 11:11 pm
I have several comments regarding the recent conversation on "drawing the line" between species that might or might not deserve protection from invasive...
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BEKOFF MARC
marc.bekoff@...
Jul 16, 2000 1:16 pm
Hello - Tony Smith has given me the OK to post this to our list - I'm doing it here and to our website because this subject touches many of our concerns and...
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nikonic@...
Jul 16, 2000 6:17 pm
... <benford@a...> ... close ... think, ... we ... to ... to ... be ... be ... such ... the ... pro-science. We need to understand that testing on animals is...
