Cindy,
     You have plenty of time for your boy to develop. Many colts do not descend
totally until a firm two years of age and I did have one that was much older and
still dropped that other testicle. Don't fret he will be fine. They can very
well still go up and down until he closes.
Lydia
Brass Ring Ranch

>My cremello colt that I specifically bred for bloodlines and performance, may
have a problem...........I can feel both testicles, but they are not "dropped"
per se..........I am wondering if I am going to have fertility issues with this
colt, when I get around to breeding with him after his show career.........he is
showing signs of being a stallion (getting jowly and showing interest in
mares)....just wondering what problems may be encountered later.......Cindy
Moore

Crippled Cat Ranch
Bennington, Kansas

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What temperature is it outside, and what temperature are your hands?  My long
yearling has gone from "quite adequate" this summer, to "almost nothing" right
now :) ...

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> My cremello colt that I specifically bred for bloodlines and performance, may
have a problem...........I can feel both testicles, but they are not "dropped"
per se..........I am wondering if I am going to have fertility issues with this
colt, when I get around to breeding with him after his show career.........he is
showing signs of being a stallion (getting jowly and showing interest in
mares)....just wondering what problems may be encountered later.......Cindy
Moore
>  
> Crippled Cat Ranch
> Bennington, Kansas
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1.

Long yearling colt
Posted by: "Cindy Moore" crippledcatranch@...   crippledcatranch
Mon Nov 30, 2009 4:02 am (PST)


My cremello colt that I specifically bred for bloodlines and performance, may
have a problem...........I can feel both testicles, but they are not "dropped"
per se..........


Cindy,

I am sure others on here will answer you--but in my humble opinion--it is too
soon to worry--and it's getting SO cold out, they don't stay down as far as when
it's warmer--they are held up closer to the body to keep them warm.  If you can
feel them both, they are descended, so you should be fine.  They are also not as
big this time of year either, and he is very young, so with a little time (and
warmer weather) I am sure he'll be fine.

Karen, K Bar Star Performance Horses, www.kbarstarqh.com
Home of Genuine Catalena Boy, AQHA Buckskin Stallion
EVA, HERDA, and OLWS Negative






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Some horses don't drop until later....two to three years old.  Don't panic or
jump to any gelding ideas until he is 3.  What breed is he?

Sandra LaRoque
www.rarerockandalusians.com


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In a message dated 11/30/2009 6:02:49 AM Central Standard Time,
crippledcatranch@... writes:

I can  feel both testicles, but they are not "dropped" per  se.


He's fine but how old is the colt?

Walt
In the land of the blind, a one eyed man is king.
_Evergreen Equikits, Inc._ (http://www.evergreenequikits.com/)



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If you can feel both on a long yearling, you should be fine. I had a
Paint colt who liked to keep his snugged up. As he moved well into his
2yo year, they got too large to hide. Now, at 6yo, they are normal sized
(if not large) and both are the same size.

- Joycelyn Kasmir
www.DiamondJFarms.com
Home of "Country Side" TB son of Secretariat
and "Sparklin High Cotton" Cremello QH Grandson of Shining Spark

Cindy Moore wrote:
> My cremello colt that I specifically bred for bloodlines and performance, may
have a problem...........I can feel both testicles, but they are not "dropped"
per se..........I am wondering if I am going to have fertility issues with this
colt, when I get around to breeding with him after his show career.........he is
showing signs of being a stallion (getting jowly and showing interest in
mares)....just wondering what problems may be encountered later.......Cindy
Moore
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> Bennington, Kansas
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My cremello colt that I specifically bred for bloodlines and performance, may
have a problem...........I can feel both testicles, but they are not "dropped"
per se..........I am wondering if I am going to have fertility issues with this
colt, when I get around to breeding with him after his show career.........he is
showing signs of being a stallion (getting jowly and showing interest in
mares)....just wondering what problems may be encountered later.......Cindy
Moore
 
Crippled Cat Ranch
Bennington, Kansas




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The latest update from our web site:

       An Interesting Wrinkle to the CEM Jigsaw Puzzle?

The current outbreak of CEM in the USA took a potentially interesting
turn today with the OIE's announcement of the finding of a horse
positive for presence of the CEM organism in the United Arab Emirates.
The interesting wrinkle is that the as yet unidentified sex or breed of
horse was born in the United States, went to the United Kingdom as a
yearling in training, then was exported to the United Arab Emirates
racing stable in 2001, before being purchased for dressage by a private
owner. It has never bred. The finding was as a result of a routine
pre-export screening in the UAE.

In an associated news item, USDA have increased their export permit cost
for semen export to Canada by $2 to $74. This is a further increase
after the last raising of prices that took place in April 2009.
*11/17/2009*

Regards to all,

Jos Mottershead
For equine reproduction information and
CE credit short course details visit:
http://www.equine-reproduction.com

On 11/3/2009 2:20 PM Fisher, Suzy wrote:
> it was better for the sperm to either:
> add the extender to the sperm or the sperm to the extender, but I can't
> remember which
>

Add extender to semen, and preferably stepped in equal volumes to the
portion containing the sperm (i.e. if there is 5-ml of raw semen, which
must be extended to 40-ml total volume, add first 5-ml of extender,
gently mix for 20-30 seconds; then add 10-ml of extender and mix; then
add the last 20-ml of extender). This reduces the likelihood of osmotic
shock of the sperm under normal circumstances (not a major issue in
itself in most cases, but a simple protocol to implement to assist in
reduction of any risk).

Hope this helps.

Jos Mottershead
Have us perform a cooled semen
evaluation for your stallion!
http://www.equine-reproduction.com/evaluations

Just a quick refresher as I can't remember. As I recall, it was better
for the sperm to either:
add the extender to the sperm or the sperm to the extender, but I can't
remember which was the better method or if it really made that big of a
difference.



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INRA, aka French AV is manufactured and sold by IMV International.  IMV-USA
is the USA division



IMV USA
11725 95th Avenue North
Maple Grove, MN 55369
USA
Ph.:  +1 763 488 1881
Fax: +1 763 488 1888
Toll free: 1 800 DIAL IMV
Email:  <mailto:contact@...> contact@...


I use a French AV on all three of my WB stallions. and my boys vary from
"eager" breeders to the seasoned "pro" ground collector. I've even collected
a Friesian stud and a QH stud with a French AV.  I am 5'2" and approx
110lbs. the two handles are very helpful.  I am happy with this AV and I
haven't met a stud that isn't a fan J.  I use it for both ground collections
and phantom collections.



Amy M. Stika

Heritage Manor Sport Horses LLC

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I collect my stallion in a stall with the French INRA AV.  This year, I
collected most of the time without a mare present (though usually visible from a
distance of 24 or more feet), and lately, I haven't had to use any restraint at
all--no halter, no lead. He has become trained to the collecting situation--when
he goes to a certain stall, when he hears me talking about water, the whole
routine.  I trained him to stay in one section of the stall.

Here is the link to buy the INRA AV:

imv-technologies.com

Cynthia Spanhel
Blue Fire Moon Farm, Purebred Spanish Sporthorses
www.bluefiremoon.com

The French - INRA Model is the only one I would consider.  It is light
weight, but still has good heat retaining properties.  It has the rubber  end
cover for bell pressure, and I LOVE the 2 handles.  You can find  contact
information to purchase on this page.
_http://www.equine-reproduction.com/articles/avs.htm_
(http://www.equine-reproduction.com/articles/avs.htm)

Darlyn

Fairview Horse Center
Haymarket,  VA  20169
_http://www.fairviewhorsecenter.com_ (http://www.fairviewhorsecenter.com)


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Go to this web site and click on the IMV logo on the right side of the page:
http://www.equine-reproduction.com

There are very good instructions on how to assemble it here:
http://www.equine-reproduction.com/articles/INRA-AV.shtml

Good info on ground collection:
http://www.equine-reproduction.com/articles/ground_collection.shtml

Harold Parker
Camarillo White Horses

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Susan M. <susansartva@...> wrote:

>
>
> Where do you find the INRA and what is it's cost? I use a Colorado right
> now but I would really like to find something lighter but with the same
> sturdiness as the Colorado.
> Thanks
>
> www.fineartbysusan.com
>
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> From: haroldparker <hparker9@... <hparker9%40gmail.com>>
> To: EquineRepro@yahoogroups.com <EquineRepro%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 10:08:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [EquineRepro] Missouri VS Colorado?
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> I use the INRA av to ground collect. Lighter than the Colorado and rigid,
> unlike the Missouri. I like baby bottles with a disposable liner as a
> collection container.
>
> Harold Parker
> Camarillo White Horses
>
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> > Stallion in his stall without a phantom? If this is possible what AV is
> best
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Where do you find the INRA and what is it's cost?  I use a Colorado right now
but I would really like to find something lighter but with the same sturdiness
as the Colorado.
Thanks

  www.fineartbysusan.com




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From: haroldparker <hparker9@...>
To: EquineRepro@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 10:08:37 PM
Subject: Re: [EquineRepro] Missouri VS Colorado?


I use the INRA av to ground collect.  Lighter than the Colorado and rigid,
unlike the Missouri.  I like baby bottles with a disposable liner as a
collection container.

Harold Parker
Camarillo White Horses

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 8:41 PM, b_wise4wellness <egypt_emma70@ msn.com>wrote:

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> Wich is the best AV collection container? Is it possible to collect a
> Stallion in his stall without a phantom? If this is possible what AV is best
> for this?
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--- In EquineRepro@yahoogroups.com, "b_wise4wellness" <egypt_emma70@...> wrote:
>
> Wich is the best AV collection container?  Is it possible to collect a
Stallion in his stall without a phantom?  If this is possible what AV is best
for this?
>
I have collected my stallion Indian Artbeat the past 3 years in  a stall and
would be glad to share the info on how I do it.  He has never bred any other
way.
each stallion is different but for him I use mare pee that is right at ovulation
or just before, put it on a paper towel by his head where he can smell it.  He
is tied long enough to put his head down to ejaculate.

  I keep the same routine and when I was training him I had TONS of patients.  If
he did not collect it was usually the temp of  the water or the pressure.  I
also put a thick rubber band  across the end to simulate the vulva spaced just
right  and to increases bell pressure by putting a rubber band on the insulated
cone cover.  His penis goes  past the end of the AV.  I do use disposable
liners.
  He ALWAYS collects and 99 percent of the time on the first try. we bred 136
mares the past three years.
I use a Colorado because it is the one I had and he collects well in it
we live in a cold climate and I would think it would  hold the heat better as I
have to collect in an unheated barn. I don't mind the weight and bulkiness of
it. Misouri's are ligher in weight.

please feel free to email me if you have any more questions

I use the INRA av to ground collect.  Lighter than the Colorado and rigid,
unlike the Missouri.  I like baby bottles with a disposable liner as a
collection container.

Harold Parker
Camarillo White Horses

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 8:41 PM, b_wise4wellness <egypt_emma70@...>wrote:

>
>
> Wich is the best AV collection container? Is it possible to collect a
> Stallion in his stall without a phantom? If this is possible what AV is best
> for this?
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Wich is the best AV collection container?  Is it possible to collect a Stallion
in his stall without a phantom?  If this is possible what AV is best for this?

http://www.ftancien.ftancient.danbeard.org/PeCAu9csez.html

One of my mares developed a horribly swollen neck last week and a course of
antibiotics and anti-inflammatories has helped a bit - but she's still not
right.  Vet was unsure at first of the cause, but now convinced it was from her
EHV jab (a week before the swelling appeared.)

I was holding her when she was jabbed and my very good vet used his usual
totally correct procedure - neck was thoroughly swabbed, sterile needle etc.
etc.  And even if by some strange chance it was 'infection' at the injection
site, it sure developed in a VERY strange way.  Initially she had just a very
hard crest, and wouldn't lower her head at all.  Then swellings appeared either
side of her neck (again - very hard.)  Then the swelling on the off side
subsided and the swelling on the near side (right at vaccination site)became
slightly smaller but very hard, and painful!  We started hot fomentations and
now she has developed an extension to that roundish swelling which is about 2
inches wide and runs vertically to the lower part of her neck!!

She's still not much interested in reaching down with her head - has to have a
haynet and water container raised.

Has anyone had a similar reaction to this vaccine?  I certainly never have! 
Throughout the course of this she hasn't been 'ill' - no rise in temperature -
no loss of appetite as long as food is raised.  Vet is still unsure what's going
on - talked about a 'sterile abcess'.

you vet will/should know what values to test for, ?as a? hormone panel ?will not
cut it.? Inhibin needs to included and you need to be sure it goes to a lab who
tests for ?it. An ultrasound? would also have value as long as it is by someone
who knows what a normal ovary can look like in all stages of estrus

Michelle www.faranch.com.








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In the event of a granulosa cell tumor, what would you expect to see on a
hormone level check? 
 
Carrie




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On 9/10/2009 8:09 AM Scott Bailey wrote:
> The only way to reliably "tell" that a mare is cycling is to tease her to a
stallion or perform a reproductive exam. Other behavioral changes (ie in the
presence of a mare/ gelding or yourself) are not reliable.
>

I would add a cautionary note to the reliability of the above. Some
mares will not respond positively to a stallion's advances, no matter if
they are cycling or not; and conversely, some mares will apparently
demonstrate receptivity despite being in diestrus (not in "heat").
Consequently, although teasing with a stallion has good accuracy in the
majority of cases, there are some instances where an accurate
representation of the mare's cyclic condition will not be obtained.

An internal examination per ultrasound - or if necessary a series of
such examinations - would be more advantageous. Alternatively, a series
of blood-progesterone assays taken a week apart, with a drop to below 1
ng/ml levels after having been in excess of that level (and typically in
excess of 3 ng/ml) would indicate onset of either estrus or winter
anestrus. Prolonged periods of suppressed progesterone levels would be
indicative of anestrus; while prolonged periods of elevated progesterone
levels cold be indicative of several possibilities, including a
persistent CL or diestrus ovulations. By "prolonged period" I mean
greater than 4 weeks; and by "a series of... assays" I mean 4 or more
taken one week apart.

Hope this helps.

Jos Mottershead
Subscribe to the
Equine-Reproduction.com e-mail Newsletter
at http://www.equine-reproduction.com

You can check the hormone levels, but that is unlikely to give you much
information unless she has a granulosa cell tumor. Mares do not really get
cystic ovaries, so I would rule that out, however some mares do get anovulatory
hemorrhagic follicles, particularly in the spring and fall and there is some
belief that these can be painful.
The only way to reliably "tell" that a mare is cycling is to tease her to a
stallion or perform a reproductive exam. Other behavioral changes (ie in the
presence of a mare/ gelding or yourself) are not reliable. A reproductive
ultrasound in a cycling mare should identify the presence of a CL (Corpus
Luteum, which secretes progesterone for 14 of 18-24 days) or a large follicle in
association with other signs of heat, followed by the presence of a CL 10 days
later.
If you are trying to figure things out without a veterinary exam, you might try
giving her altrenogest (regumate) daily for 60-90 days and determine whether her
behavior changes. Regumate is a synthetic progesterone (simulates pregnancy),
which should eliminate any cycle-dependent variability in her behavior.

Most of the time (by far), the issue is NOT reproductive, but rather some other
source. I would recommend keeping a diary for 2 months prior to starting
regumate and then throughout the time she is on regumate to objectively assess
any changes. In addition to affecting the mare's hormone levels, regumate does
have a slight calming effect as seen when used on geldings (which obviously have
no hormonal variations otherwise).

Hope this helps. I know it isn't a quick fix.

C. Scott

--- On Wed, 9/9/09, Carrie Bale <flingindirt@...> wrote:

From: Carrie Bale <flingindirt@...>
Subject: [EquineRepro] Cycle Issues
To: "Equine Repro" <equinerepro@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 9:59 AM






 





                   If a person were to suspect that their filly/mare were having
reproductive issues, such as, cystic ovaries or something that was causing the
horse pain.....and the horse had NEVER showed any type of heat cycle, what would
the proposed course of action be? 

 

If you can't tell when she is in heat, if she is even coming into heat (issues
that would suppress her heat???) then how do you know when to have her checked?

 

If the mare is checked several times throughout a month and no evidence of any
cysts/tumors are found......what kind of issues would hormone imbalances cause
and is there a way to check hormones?

 

Thank you,

Carrie



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Safely is relative. It is safer to do it now than later, however realize that
the fetus is  about the size of a cat at this point. It would be imperative to
monitor her and verify that the abortion is going according to plan. It is rare,
but potential complications include dystocia and retention of the fetus in the
uterus.

Speak to your veterinarian about the best method of abortion at this stage and
what monitoring he/she can offer.

C. Scott

--- On Wed, 9/9/09, aztlanfarms <aztlanfarms@...> wrote:

From: aztlanfarms <aztlanfarms@...>
Subject: [EquineRepro] Window to Abort
To: EquineRepro@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 11:16 AM






 





                   Can a mare in foal with a last date bred of May 17 be safetly
aborted with Lutylse at 4 months? If so how much Lutylyse is needed and how
should it be administered? Thanks..































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If a person were to suspect that their filly/mare were having reproductive
issues, such as, cystic ovaries or something that was causing the horse
pain.....and the horse had NEVER showed any type of heat cycle, what would the
proposed course of action be? 
 
If you can't tell when she is in heat, if she is even coming into heat (issues
that would suppress her heat???) then how do you know when to have her checked?
 
If the mare is checked several times throughout a month and no evidence of any
cysts/tumors are found......what kind of issues would hormone imbalances cause
and is there a way to check hormones?
 
Thank you,
Carrie




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Can a mare in foal with a last date bred of May 17 be safetly aborted with
Lutylse at 4 months? If so how much Lutylyse is needed and how should it be
administered? Thanks..

Added to our news page at www.Equine-Reproduction.com today:

       Another Stallion Added to the CEMO-positive List

After a period of quiescence with no news forthcoming, USDA have
announced the addition of a twenty-second CEMO-positive stallion to the
growing list. This stallion is located in Wisconsin - the ninth to test
positive in that State. While over 90% of exposed mares have completed
their testing and where appropriate treatment, and are now negative for
the presence of Taylorella equigenitalis, the numbers related to
stallions are not so encouraging. 715 mares have been identified as "at
risk", with only 65 of those mares still awaiting completion of
treatment and/or testing. Of a lower number - 273 - of "at risk"
stallions, there are still about the same number as the mares (68
stallions) still awaiting completion of treatment and/or testing. It is
important to recognise that the testing protocols are more complicated
and extensive for stallions than for mares, and it is equally important
that one be aware that the risk factor for spread by unconfirmed but
positive stallions remains significantly greater than mares. Five of the
twenty-two stallions so far found to be carriers of the CEMO did not
test positive for Taylorella equigenitalis presence on their first set
of swabs. This does therefore present a concern relative to the 68
stallions still awaiting completion of testing and treatment, as 35 of
those stallions have as yet only had a single set of swabs confirmed as
negative. There is a distinct possibility that several more stallions
could yet test positive, raising the total number of "at risk" horses -
both mares and other stallions - exponentially.

While it is clear that the risk of exposure to a CEMO-positive horse is
still very much present in the general equine population, it is to be
hoped that the risk is gradually reducing. This does not mean that
breeders need to let down their guard, and our previous recommendations
with regard to voluntary pre-breeding testing will still be beneficial
for the 2010 and subsequent breeding seasons. There has still not been
an originating source for the current outbreak identified, and until
there has been, and all tracebacks are returning "negative", the risk of
CEM is still present in the general horse population of the USA.
*09/07/2009*

Regards to all,

Jos Mottershead
Subscribe to the
Equine-Reproduction.com e-mail Newsletter
at http://www.equine-reproduction.com

Thank you Cynthia,

     I'm glad to see that article finally !  I've been saying that for
years and no one wanted to listen.  I want to say though, that
although this appears to be common miniatures, it certainly happens
in large horses to !
I have a breed that is very slow to mature and it happens all the
time with my breed too. I've had stallions finally descend the second
testicle at up to age 4 and be perfectly normal.

So just for notation, this does not just apply to miniatures. If you
have a larger breed and are having doubts it might be wise to
consider this before assuming your stallion is a cryptorchid .

Rita


On Sep 2, 2009, at 4:26 AM, EquineRepro@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> Hi, I had a mini stud who @ 2 years still didn't have the testicles
> descended. I found the following article to be helpful.
>
> http://www.scottcreek.com/Cryptorchidism.htm
>
> Cynthia



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Discussion list for all topics pertaining to equine reproduction.  A valuable
resource for any breeder.Looking for some guidance for options to write into an
agreement to reserve some breeding rights when breeding a mare.  I was hoping to
include the ability to produce two foals via embryo transfer in a way that would
not interfere with the mare's competition career.  The purchaser's trainer asked
if I was interested in embryos or eggs -- and I didn't even really know if there
are realistic options relative to eggs vs. embryos?  I am not even certain
whether this is an option I will ever exercise, but if I sell all of my fillies
from this family, I would at least like a chance to retain their genetics at
some point.

Looking for advice...

Thanks...

Marcia Brody
Magnific Sporthorses
Maryland

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