Oh thanks  Krushnamegh, good to kow that now it has full species status. Cheers! Isaac  --- On Wed, 6/8/08, krushnamegh@... <krushnamegh@...> wrote:   From: krushnamegh@... <krushnamegh@...> Subject: Re: [ButterflyIndia] Indian or Large Tortoiseshell - its neither! To: ButterflyIndia@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 6 August, 2008, 7:50 AM isaac, it's not Aglais urticae any more. the indian entity, rizana, is now considered a full species, Nymphalis rizana Moore, 1872; not a subspecies as N. urticae rizana. however, the english name - Mountain Tortoiseshell - should be good because Evans gave that name to rizana, and it should carry the name irrespective of its taxonomic slot. N. urticae already has another english name, so that is convenient.   At 11:28 PM +0530 8/5/08, Isaac Kehimkar wrote: Dear Partha, Its neither, you have Mountain Tortoiseshell Aglais urticae. It is similar to Indian Tortoiseshell but there is no brown wavy border inside the dark marginal border on upper hindwing. In Europe it is known as Small Tortoiseshell. Good Shot! Isaac --- On Tue, 5/8/08, PARTHA PRATIM SAHA <parthapratim. sh@gmail. com> wrote: From: PARTHA PRATIM SAHA <parthapratim. sh@gmail. com> Subject: [ButterflyIndia] Indian Tortoiseshell or Large Tortoiseshell ? To: butterflyindia@ yahoogroups. com Cc: "J.M. Garg" <jmgarg1@gmail. com> Date: Tuesday, 5 August, 2008, 12:57 PM Hi All, Photographed at Chhitkul(HP) in May'08. I am confused wheather it is Indian Tortoiseshell or Large Tortoiseshell ? Please help for proper ID please. Regards, Partha. Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download.                                                                   -- --- Krushnamegh Kunte ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -------------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- Doctoral Student (Gilbert and Juenger Labs) Postal Address: 2401 W. 24th St (and Speedway) Patterson Laboratories, Room 442 Section of Integrative Biology University of Texas at Austin Austin, TX 78712-1095, USA Office: (512) 471-8240 Cell: (512) 577-1370 Fax: (512) 471-3878 Email: krushnamegh@ gmail.com Academic Website: http://www.bio. utexas.edu/ grad/krushnamegh /Moorings/ AcademicsHome. htm General Website: http://www.bio. utexas.edu/ grad/krushnamegh /Moorings/ index.htm

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