http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2009/09/30/vaccinating-small-dogs-risks-vets-arent\
-revealing/
Kris King, M.S.
(719) 942-3738
rescuerehab@...
The Last Resort Small Dog Rescue, Inc
http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/CO70.html

What I don't understand: why do they have hunt tests in an area that dangerous? 
Or at least warn potential attendees of the problems??



Marion Dyer



My hope is that people will be aware of low desert regions of travel such as
Arizona, New Mexico, SW Texas and Southern California. Please be aware
that Valley Fever is fast developing in other parts of the country. So know
where you are traveling and what risks may be involved in that area. This
can affect both humans and dogs alike.


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Best wishes for Flint.  Thanks for sharing this information.
Kris King, M.S.
(719) 942-3738
rescuerehab@...
The Last Resort Small Dog Rescue, Inc
http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/CO70.html

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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> November 14 & 15 of this year I attended a hunt test in Southern
> California
> specifically Lost hills, CA near Bakersfield.   I wouldn't wish this
> nightmare on
> anyone.   My hope is to spare someone else from this agony.
> Cindy T.
>



I am so sorry to learn of your difficulties.  I wish a speedy, complete
recovery for your good dog.

Ev
"A hundred million miracles are happening every day!"

Thanks!
Deanna

--- In BeyondVaccination@yahoogroups.com, "Kris  King" <rescuerehab@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Deanna,
> The website must be
> "defunct" or whatever the word is (too tired to think"  )
> Anyway, just did a search for the article and it is currently at this site:
> http://www.vaclib.org/legal/PetsDying.htm
> Kris King, M.S.
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Deanna
>
>   Could you repost the website this article came from? I tried to access
www.vaccinenews.com and received the following message:
>
>   Sorry, we couldn't find www.vaccinenews.com
>

November 14 & 15 of this year I attended a hunt test in Southern California
specifically Lost hills, CA near Bakersfield.  I was on top of the world as
my young up and coming talented 2 year old lab Flint passed his first Master
test. (he skipped junior and senior).  Unknown to me, for 21 days a fungal
infection was brewing and would invaded his lungs and create havoc.    2
weeks ago we began to treat Flint with normal antibiotics for what we
thought was a  bacterial Respiratory infection.  It wasn't going away.  Then
last Saturday he spiked a fever.   By the time I rushed him to UC Davis it
was 105.4.    They performed a Bronchioscopy that Monday and took lung fluid
samples for culture.  It came back yesterday as Valley Fever.    Now begins
12 - 18 months of treatment if he lives through it.



I won't go into detail explaining Valley Fever, but here is a link to
information http://www.vfce.arizona.edu/VFID-home.htm.   It is a condition
unique to the dusty regions of the Southwest US.   It is completely
preventable if you stay out of those regions and particularly where there is
dirt and dust.  Watch for ground that has been disturbed because that brings
the spores up to the surface and makes it prime to be snorted up by a dog's
nose and humans alike.   This hunt test that I attended, was in what people
have described as the Valley Fever Capital of the world.   I found that out
a little too late unfortunately.    I had no idea about this fungal
infection and if I had known that several dogs in that area had been
diagnosed with Valley Fever, I would never have gone nor subjected my dogs
to that sort of risk.



My hope is that people will be aware of low desert regions of travel such as
Arizona, New Mexico, SW Texas and Southern California.     Please be aware
that Valley Fever is fast developing in other parts of the country.  So know
where you are traveling and what risks may be involved in that area.    This
can affect both humans and dogs alike.



I know that I will never attend another hunt test in that region again.   It
is paramount to get medical attention quickly.   The valley fever research
expert Lisa Shubitz is helping my vet with Flint's case.     I feel
confident that we can beat this thing.  I wouldn't wish this nightmare on
anyone.   My hope is to spare someone else from this agony.



Cindy T.



Cindy Tulpa

www.asterionkennels.com









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This is very interesting!  A friend of mine had 2 of her dogs get very sick last
month, she spent a lot of money at the vets office where they kept the first dog
overnight, then 2 days later her 2nd dog got sick with all those same symptoms
(vomitting, bloody diarrhea, not eating) and that dog had to stay 2 nights at
the vets.  The vet had no idea what it was (suggested "maybe dog swine flu"),
and had them on antibiotics and fluids!  How sad to think that those 2 dogs
could've been helped by just that one antibiotic!  I'm forwarding her your
e-mails so she can read up on it and order some of it to have on hand!

Thanks for the info,  and a very Merry Christmas,

Marion Dyer

I wouldn't vaccinate. Have ambertechs products on hand in case of an
emergency. They work wonderfully. _www.ambertech.com_
(http://www.ambertech.com/)

Here is the parvaid page. The company will guide you as to what you should
have on hand. I believe it is parvaid and vibracta plus.

_http://www.ambertech.com/products.html?p=2_
(http://www.ambertech.com/products.html?p=2)

Ruth



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Actually, Betty, I found it very interesting.  Probably not on topic for
this list, but interesting anyway.<G>  And what ever happened to Mogens?
Haven't heard from him in a very long time!

Sharyn & Cedar the Golden nudge
Princess Friday the feline imp
St. Cassie (at the Bridge, 1988-2000)

-----Original Message-----
From: BeyondVaccination@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:BeyondVaccination@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Betty Lewis

*Well, I owe the list an apology. I am in the process of sending 7,000
emails from our old PC computer in one room to our new Mac in the other.
This was one of those saved posts that I was transferring. I have no idea
how it got sent to this list. I can't promise it won't happen again b/c I
don't know how it happened the first time, :} but I am sorry.

This probably won't help you at all, but when MY computer gives me sass, I
remind it that I know where the hammers are kept and I absolutely ADORE
using them.  It's truly odd how often that actually works.

Technology!  Can't live with it, can't shoot the [expletives deleted]
things!

Ev
"A hundred million miracles are happening every day!"






> *Well, I owe the list an apology. I am in the process of sending 7,000
> emails from our old PC computer in one room to our new Mac in the other. ,
> but thanks in advance to those inclined to help. :}
>
> If weird stuff from me shows up in the future, ignore it with my
> apologies, please.
>
> Betty

On Dec 24, 2009, at 7:17 AM, BeyondVaccination@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> Colloidal Silver-Mogens Eliasen
> Posted by: "Betty Lewis" pawsreflect@...   pawsreflect
> Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:21 am (PST)
>

*Well, I owe the list an apology. I am in the process of sending 7,000 emails
from our old PC computer in one room to our new Mac in the other. This was one
of those saved posts that I was transferring. I have no idea how it got sent to
this list. I can't promise it won't happen again b/c I don't know how it
happened the first time, :} but I am sorry.

BTW, if Apple can't figure out how to transfer my Eudora Mailbox files, then I'm
not going to be able to figure out another way to do it, but thanks in advance
to those inclined to help. :}

If weird stuff from me shows up in the future, ignore it with my apologies,
please.

Betty

~~~~~~~
Betty Lewis, RVT,Dr.A.N. Animal Communicator/Wholistic Consultant
Waccabuc Great Danes/Whippets & Paws and Reflect
603-673-3263 pawsreflect@... Author of Animals Speak!
Buy book : http://www.dogwise.com/itemdetails.cfm?ID=AN285
Home: http://home.earthlink.net/~pawsreflect/index.html
Juice Plus+ http://www.juiceplus.com/+el6912





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Clarification:

Regarding:
As an dog rescuer of many years, I have saved literally hundreds of dogs from
"parvo". That is because it isn't really parvo.

Please know that this statement was not meant as "aren't I wonderful" LOL.  I
did not discover "the cure", nor do I take any credit for saving these dogs. 
Rather, I just listened to people who had saved dogs from "parvo", rather than
listened to the vets who were losing dogs to "parvo".
Happy Holidays to all.

Kris King, M.S.
(719) 942-3738
rescuerehab@...
The Last Resort Small Dog Rescue, Inc
http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/CO70.html

We, as a society, must protect those without a voice from those without
compassion or a conscience.
                                                         Kris King

If I stated that I had just returned from a  country that manufactured 20,000
"widgets" a day,
even though they had hundreds of thousands of widgets sitting unused in
warehouses,
  and then also daily destroyed 16,000 widgets because there was no more room to
store them,
you would think I had visited a nation of backwards morons.  That is exactly
what is happening
in this country every day, except the "widgets" are living beings who often
suffer horribly before
having their lives prematurely ended.--Kris King




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My apologies--meant to clarify that you can buy antibiotics without a
prescription at www.kvvet.com  as Fish Antibiotics.  They are the same thing as
dog/human antibiotics.  Cephalexin, amoxicillin, ampicillin, tetracycline, and
metronidazole are all available as for fish.
They work well (I have used them on myself, so can testify to the fact :-)
Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays all.
Kris King, M.S.
(719) 942-3738
rescuerehab@...
The Last Resort Small Dog Rescue, Inc
http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/CO70.html

We, as a society, must protect those without a voice from those without
compassion or a conscience.
                                                         Kris King

If I stated that I had just returned from a  country that manufactured 20,000
"widgets" a day,
even though they had hundreds of thousands of widgets sitting unused in
warehouses,
  and then also daily destroyed 16,000 widgets because there was no more room to
store them,
you would think I had visited a nation of backwards morons.  That is exactly
what is happening
in this country every day, except the "widgets" are living beings who often
suffer horribly before
having their lives prematurely ended.--Kris King

No humane being, past the thoughtless age of boyhood, will wantonly murder any
creature which holds its life by the same tenure that he does.  -- Thoreau


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Tonya,
As an dog rescuer of many years,  I have saved literally hundreds of dogs from
"parvo".  That is because it isn't really parvo.  It is campylobactur, which
looks and smells like parvo, but actually kills much faster.  It is also easily
curable with 25 mg of Cephalexin per lb, twice a day until the diarrhea stops. 
As a vet recently admitted to me, the only Parvo test that is reliable in the
least is the one that takes 2 weeks to get results back.  Dogs who have been
vaccinated for parvo will often test positive.  Dogs have arrived literally
squirting blood out their rear ends, and usually just one dose of the Cephalexin
cures them.  If they are immuno-compromised, it sometimes takes 3 or 4 doses (12
hours apart), as well as lactated ringers sub-q to keep them going.  This
works--yet vets will run up thousands of dollars of bills for clients and not
save their dogs/puppies from "parvo", when they have nothing to lose by trying
the Cephalexin. It is tragic to see dogs and puppies die when they can easily be
saved.  The show breeders are the ones who figured this out when they were
literally losing entire kennels of over-vaccinated dogs to "parvo".  When they
decided that it might not be parvo, and started treating the dogs for
campylobacter, the dogs survived and made "miraculous" recoveries. People I know
whose dogs have gotten deathly ill with "parvo", had it confirmed at Alameda
East that it was indeed Campylobacter and their dogs survived with the
appropriate antibiotic.   I have literally NEVER lost a dog or puppy to a GI
bug, even those that tested positive for "parvo", and they recovered quickly
with the Cephalexin.
You can buy Cephalexin and other antibiotics without a prescription at
www.kvvet.com (that is where I buy supplies).  The shipping is free for orders
ovr $50, and they ship very quickly.
Any sceptics are free to argue, but it is crazy not to try the Cephalexin when
it cannot hurt the dog, and can save the dog's life in a few hours.   A rescue
friend called me last year because her employee's 6 month old Lab puppy was
dying of "parvo".  She had been vaccinated for it as a young puppy, and was at
the vet's office for 6 days.  They were losing her.  I explained to the owner
about Campy and told her to insist that the vet add 25 mg/Cephalexin per lb
ASAP.  The vet literally screamed at the owner over the phone, but did as she
requested.  The puppy went home the next day, completely, miraculously cured. 
Interestingly, I find that the dogs who have been recently vaccinated for parvo
are the most likely to become extremely ill with Campy.
To not try the Cephalexin is inexcusable, yet I  have known vets to let the dog
or puppy die,  rather than risk their ego by trying the Cephalexin (don't ask me
how that is a danger to their ego--I would think saving the animal's life would
take priority).
It is because the show people were tired of watching their expensive dogs die of
"parvo", that the true illness was discovered.

Here is one write-up about it.

http://malteserescue.us/campy.html
  Kris King, M.S.
(719) 942-3738
rescuerehab@...
The Last Resort Small Dog Rescue, Inc
http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/CO70.html

We, as a society, must protect those without a voice from those without
compassion or a conscience.
                                                         Kris King

If I stated that I had just returned from a  country that manufactured 20,000
"widgets" a day,
even though they had hundreds of thousands of widgets sitting unused in
warehouses,
  and then also daily destroyed 16,000 widgets because there was no more room to
store them,
you would think I had visited a nation of backwards morons.  That is exactly
what is happening
in this country every day, except the "widgets" are living beings who often
suffer horribly before
having their lives prematurely ended.--Kris King

No humane being, past the thoughtless age of boyhood, will wantonly murder any
creature which holds its life by the same tenure that he does.  -- Thoreau.



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the company is Ambertech


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Get parvaid. It works for parvo and is cheap. My dog got well in 3
days with parvaid when she got parvo at 3 months old. I don't have the
website on me to buy it but it's in the archives or u can goodsearch
it. Parvaid is a nontoxic natural remedy tht needs to be refrigerated.

Meryn

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 23, 2009, at 2:44 PM, "Tonya" <t_cokenour@...> wrote:

  Now I am
> worried about this new puppy. She is 16 weeks has had 2 - 5 way and
> a Neopar at my expense when I told them about having had Parvo. I am
> so worried about this puppy getting it. I cleaned all the areas I
> knew the puppy got sick or had diarrhea on our carpet but not sure
> if that will be enough. Any suggestions? Thanks, Tonya
>
>


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Hi, I am getting a puppy this Christmas. I have had Parvo about 3 yrs ago now
that was brought in by people who had been out looking at many different
breeders looking for puppies.  They came to visit and I had a small puppy that
had only 1 vaccination shot. They played with my puppy alot while they were
visiting about a week later he got I though he got into something. It wasn't
till a couple days later he still wouldn't eat and was still throwing up that I
took him to the vet.  They sent me home with some meds over $100.00 said it
would help to calm his stomach and to come back IF he got bloody stool.  I was
an hr away from the vet.  As soon as I got home he started the bloody stools.  I
rushed back to the vet to find he was out on a farm call so had to go to a
different vet.  They tested him for Parvo he tested Positive. He did not make
it.  Now I am worried about this new puppy. She is 16 weeks has  had 2 - 5 way
and a Neopar at my expense when I told them about having had Parvo.  I am so
worried about this puppy getting it.  I cleaned all the areas I knew the puppy
got sick or had diarrhea on our carpet but not sure if that will be enough.  Any
suggestions?  Thanks, Tonya

At 02:20 AM 11/21/2003, you wrote:
>Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 16:08:39 -0800
>    From: "Mogens Eliasen" <mowence@...>
>Subject: where to get reputably made colloidal silver?
>
>Hi Skye,
>
>I use colloidal silver myself.  I have a scientific degree in
>chemistry at a level that is comparable to the US Ph.D. level.  But
>I buy my colloidal silver from Nature's Fair - the biggest health
>food and vitamin store in Kamloops, BC that normally sells only
>"certified organic" stuff.  It contains metallic silver in a purity
>of 99.99%, in a 20 PPM concentration of totally demineralised water
>(treated with ion exchangers, typically reducing all critical ions
>to concentrations 1-0.01% of certified safe drinking water
>quality.)  The concentration does not matter.  What counts is the
>total amount of silver metal (in the right particle size
>distribution) the body gets.  It is the resulting concentration in
>the body fluids that matters!  But the thing is that processes that
>generate higher concentrations also generate larger average particle
>sizes!  SO, with concentrations about 100 PPM or higher, I would be
>very suspicious of the quality...
>
>I do not have the equipment to test that what I manufacture myself
>is good enough.  Particle size distributions analyses are not cheap
>to do... ($300 per sample kind-of-thing).  I am sure I could find
>out what process controls would be needed to make it happen with
>enough certainty, but I don't want to spend my time on that, just to
>save $20 every 6 months...  For someone with a greater need, it
>could make sense, though.
>
>But here is some help:  If you can make sure that you are dealing
>with METALLIC SILVER only, then you can test the particle size
>distribution by using the suspension as deodorant!  If it works, you
>are OK.  If not, your particle size distribution is out of
>whack...  Provided you can tell the difference between "fresh sweat"
>and "old sweat".  The metallic colloidal silver will work also on
>those skin bacteria that cause sweat to smell badly.
>
>One simple way to make sure you have practically no silver ions in
>the suspension is to saturate the water with salt.  Shake a sample
>with so much salt that it does not all dissolve.  The chloride from
>the salt with bind with any silver ions in the water and precipitate
>as silver chloride - which you will see as a white milky cloud in
>the water, that is devilish to filter....  If you have nothing but
>colloidal silver in the water, no amount of dissolved salt will make
>any difference for the appearance of the water - it will remain crystal clear.
>
>Bu I agree with you: without knowing chemistry, it is impossible to
>even ask the right questions...  And I never met anybody in North
>America who learned this stuff in school, as I did. Long time ago....
>
>Cheers,
>
>Mogens
>mogens@...

**************
    From: "Mogens Eliasen" <mowence@...>
Subject: colloidal silver for parvo

I said that marketers often mess with the process and the
product.  But I guess I did not explain well enough to avoid
misunderstandings...

Chemically, there is no such thing as "free ionic silver", other than
silver as part of chemical componds, like silver salts.  Silver ions
cannot exist without the presence of a suitable anion also present.

When I talk about "ionic silver" I mean "silver ions in solution,
acting chemically as free silver ions, in a solution together with a
matching anion".  I do not refer to silver metal generated from
silver ions in solution, and I do not refer to insoluble silver salts
in which the silver ions are completely devoted to their bonding in
the crystal structure with the anions of that structure.

And, just for the reference: that single electron missing or not
makes a HELL of a difference, in terms of chemistry and
toxidity!  Please do not regards it as "just an electron".  That
electron totally changes the chemical properties of the
substance.  The difference is comparable to the difference between
chlorine (poisonous gas) and salt - there is "only an electron" to
make the difference between chlorine and chloride ions in the salt....

The silver you get from the processes that create colloidal silver
may well contain certain silver ions together with some anions - if
they are bound in solid particles that are insoluble in
water.  Silver oxide, for instance, is an ionic silver compound that
has a very low toxicity - and very likely can have the same
properties against bacteria as metallic silver, provided the particle
sizes and surface structures are appropriate.

But such silver, bound in silver oxide, does not chemically react as
ionic, as the silver ions are so heavily bonded to the oxygen in the
substance that they will not react (generally) with any biologic
substance.  It is outright misleading marketing to call colloidal
silver oxide (or any other colloidal non-soluble silver salt) "ionic"
CS, as it most definitely are not the silver ions that make any
effect of the substance.  It is most likely a combination of particle
size and total surface area (which increases with the particle size
going down).

What you should not drink is ionic silver in solution (not even if
the also present anions are fairly harmless).  Whether you have that
or not totally depends on the process that was used to manufacture
your suspension.

Drinking water in the US contains no more than 0.03 ppm total silver
in average (rannging from below 0.001 ppm to a maximum of 0.08 ppm),
most of it as silver salt, some of it as colloidal, some of it as
ionic in solution. Drinking water standards from most environmental
agencies are around 0.1 - 0.01 ppm as the highest acceptable
concentration of any form of silver, regarding ionic silver the
potentially greatest health danger.  If you drink an ionic silver
solution with silver ions dissolved in the water in concentrations
above 0.1 ppm, you are drinking water that is officially classified
as unhealthy to drink.

Many collodial silver "solutions" (they are actually not solutions at
all, but suspensions - if they were solutions, they were dangerous),
contain no more than 10% or 20% of the total silver as metallic
silver, the rest as ionic silver.  Now, if this ionic silver is
bonded in salts that are almost non-soluble in water (like silver
oxide, silver chloride, silver sulfide, or silver carbonate), then
you can expect a low toxicity - if any.  But if you have that silver
present as silver ions in solution in the water, that water is NOT
healthy to drink.

As I explained, I talk about this as a CHEMIST, not as a marketer,
and  don't refer to brand names of any specific product.  Personally,
I find it totally unacceptable to use incorrect chemical nomenclature
for marketing of a product, and I know it is being done, also in many
other areas.

You are obviously talking about products that are CALLED "ionic" -
without having any free silver ions at all in the solution.  Now,
that probably makes them safe to drink - but it is a completely
misleading label that opens the door for others to actually SELL
solutions that contain free silver ions, without anybody being
suspiscious of the scam.

And the darn thing about it is that it is expensive to tell the
difference through chemical analysis, and reasobaly cheap standard
analyses for "silver" do not give the answer...

I did check your reference.  However, I found absolutely no
information there that makes any sense to a chemist...  nothing about
methodology or analysis - only references to popular marketing terms
that say nothing about the actual chemistry involved.  No offense to
you, but it actually reminded me of what the pet food manufacturers
write about dog nutrition on their labels and in their brochures.  I
am sorry, I do not call that kind of information "accurate".  Numbers
alone don't make it.  Numbers make no sense unless you know exactly
what they represent and how they were generated.

My point was not to disregard the many positive effects of colloidal
silver but to warn against getting it from a source that was not
reliable.  I have seen several reports about "colloidal silver" that
was nothing more than mainly a solution of poisonous silver nitrate
in water, resulting from an electrolysis process that wasn't
controlled well enough.  I haven't kept those references, though, so
you have to do your own search if you want them. But there are out
there, for sure.

Cheers,

Mogens




Betty Lewis, RVT,Dr.A.N. Animal Communicator/Wholistic Consultant
Waccabuc Great Danes/Whippets & Paws and Reflect
603-673-3263 pawsreflect@... Author of Animals Speak!
Buy book:http://www.dogwise.com/itemdetails.cfm?ID=AN285
Home:http://home.earthlink.net/~pawsreflect/index.html
Juice Plus+ http://www.juiceplus.com/+el69129


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Hi Deanna,
The website must be
"defunct" or whatever the word is (too tired to think"  )
Anyway, just did a search for the article and it is currently at this site:
http://www.vaclib.org/legal/PetsDying.htm
Kris King, M.S.

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Deanna

   Could you repost the website this article came from? I tried to access
www.vaccinenews.com and received the following message:

   Sorry, we couldn't find www.vaccinenews.com

> Small dogs are at huge risk from vaccinations, butt so are large dogs.

I totally agree--two breeder-release Standard Poodles here died last year
from the rabies vaccine.  It caused liver failure.  My first two Standard
Poodles developed "epilepsy" from overvaccinating. In the South, where I
came from, puppies received 4 series of vaccinations (over-kill literally),
and vaccines every year.  Every Standard Poodle that I knew of in the South
died by age 8, whether from "seizures (usually  caused by liver damage),
auto-immune diseases or cancer.  My 3rd Standard Poodle died at 14 1/2.  She
had only been vaccinated twice.  That made me a believer.

> They're not only being over-vaccinated, their humans aren't learning for
> themselves what the risks are. My dog is huge (GSDxLabxMastiff), he'll
> only get his puppy vaccinations. All 13 of my current cats won't be
> vaccinated either. I lived with vaccinosis in my JRT puppy, he'll never
> get another vaccination, it's disgusting what they can do to an animal.
> Cazz and Horse
'

I am so sorry about your JRT.  I give only 1 puppy vaccination at 9 weeks
and one after 6 months of age, and that is it for life.  As a rescue,
everything has come through here, including Canine Influenza (that one
scares me--it was a nightmare).   Interestingly, the dogs who are the most
at risk, are the ones who have been vaccinated the most.  My Miniature
Poodle is 9 yrs old and acts like a puppy.  He has had one distemper/parvo
vaccine as an adult, and 2 rabies (I regret the 2nd one).  He has only been
sick one time:  when I had him vaccinated for bordetella. He developed a
fever of 105 and it was touch and go. Since then, no vaccines and the
healthiest little pain in the rear you have ever met. :-)

I agree that it is disgusting.  The vets are truly "making a killing" (a
book with that title is in the planning stages if I ever develop the brain
power to write it LOL).
Every time a potential adopter calls me, I get vet, neighbor, groomer, and
pet sitter references from them.  What they don't know is that I am checking
out their vet as well to find out how often they vaccinate. I send the
vaccine info to potential adopters and hope that they will "see the light".
If they don't, I won't adopt to them.  I tell them:  what is the point of
adopting to you if your vet is going to kill your dog.

One woman called me because her 3rd Giant Schnauzer was dying of cancer at
age 8.  The other two had died at 7 and 8.  I always ask:, "How often do you
vaccinate?"  As you can guess, the answer is always known before they
respond.  She proudly replied, "I vaccinate yearly".  I told her:  "That is
why your dogs are dying of cancer".  It is tough telling people, but surely
they don't want to keep repeating the tragedy.  Some get angry--most are
appreciative.

The biggest offender here in Colorado is Banfield, the Pets Mart vet
hospital.  They give up to 9 vaccines in a single day.   Just tragic.  A
potential adopter called last week after mysteriously losing her dog to
liver failure.  I asked her to look at her vet records while we were on the
phone.  Banfield had given her 10 lb dog 9 vaccines in one day, including
Lepto.  I then read her the "warning" with the lepto vaccine in the Jeffer's
catalog.  She was appalled, heartbroken, angry, and then determined to do
something about it.  The more people who learn about this, the better the
chance of stopping these clueless and/or greedy vets.

Currently, I am filing complaints against 2 vets regarding a Standard
Poodle.  She had a history of  seizures given the Lepto vaccine and was
given the Lepto vaccine anyway by the 1st vet, because her owner trusted
him.  The poodle went into status epilepticus, and almost died.  Vaccinating
a dog with a known history of seizures is malpractive, beyond stupid, and
can kill them--whatever happened to "First do no harm"?

Kris King, M.S.
(719) 942-3738
rescuerehab@...
The Last Resort Small Dog Rescue, Inc
http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/CO70.html

Could you repost the website this article came from? I tried to access
www.vaccinenews.com and received the following message:

Sorry, we couldn't find www.vaccinenews.com

Thanks,
Deanna

--- In BeyondVaccination@yahoogroups.com, "Kris  King" <rescuerehab@...> wrote:
>
>
> Is Your Pet Dying From Over-Vaccination Due to Vet Economics? (courtesy of
vaccinenews.com)
> Nationally and internationally, companion animals (pets) are being
over-vaccinated - a practice that is resulting in vaccine related deaths, severe
illnesses, reduced longevity and large monetary costs to guardians (pet owners).
>

> Kris King, M.S.
> (719) 942-3738
> rescuerehab@...
> The Last Resort Small Dog Rescue, Inc
> http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/CO70.html
>
>

>> Have you spent any time looking through the archives?
> You could learn a lot. <<

---------------------

Christie Keith has TONS of info on vaccinations on her www.caberfeidh.com
website as well.



Marita






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Small dogs are at huge risk from vaccinations, butt so are large dogs.
They're not only being over-vaccinated, their humans aren't learning for
themselves what the risks are. My dog is huge (GSDxLabxMastiff), he'll
only get his puppy vaccinations. All 13 of my current cats won't be
vaccinated either. I lived with vaccinosis in my JRT puppy, he'll never
get another vaccination, it's disgusting what they can do to an animal.
Cazz and Horse

Have you spent any time looking through the archives?
You could learn a lot.
Agnes, Dylan & Cognac
"You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed"
Antoine de Saint Exupery

> I wasn't trying to preach to anyone--just sharing the articles that I
> had
> come across.  Would love to see articles and book suggestions that
> others
> have found regarding vaccinations.
>
> I was responding to the idea that small dogs are not in more danger
> than
> large dogs to vaccines.  The overwhelming evidence is that they are.

In a message dated 12/21/2009 10:34:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,
rescuerehab@... writes:

> Thanks for spreading the word!

You're most welcome! We're all in this together. :o)
The vet I use wants permission to cross post far & wide, so thank you!
Would appreciate any other articles you'd like to share!
Aimée


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Marita,
Re your email:
What you might not understand is that there are quite a few people who are
not worried about whether vaccines aren't safe for small dogs, but that
they're not safe for ANY dog.

I think you may be preaching to the choir here, there are a lot of us who
choose not to vaccinate at all, or only do core vaccinations.



My response:
I wasn't trying to preach to anyone--just sharing the articles that I had
come across.  Would love to see articles and book suggestions that others
have found regarding vaccinations.

I was responding to the idea that small dogs are not in more danger than
large dogs to vaccines.  The overwhelming evidence is that they are.

Kris King, M.S.
(719) 942-3738
rescuerehab@...
The Last Resort Small Dog Rescue, Inc
http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/CO70.html

We, as a society, must protect those without a voice from those without
compassion or a conscience.
                                                         Kris King

If I stated that I had just returned from a  country that manufactured
20,000 "widgets" a day,
even though they had hundreds of thousands of widgets sitting unused in
warehouses,
  and then also daily destroyed 16,000 widgets because there was no more room
to store them,
you would think I had visited a nation of backwards morons.  That is exactly
what is happening
in this country every day, except the "widgets" are living beings who often
suffer horribly before
having their lives prematurely ended.--Kris King

No humane being, past the thoughtless age of boyhood, will wantonly murder
any creature which holds its life by the same tenure that he does.  --
Thoreau

And what about cats?? Unless I'm mistaken, cats are receiving the
same dose as a GSD, regardless of size, age, or physical condition.
The clinic I worked for many years ago only carried single dose vials
of rabies vax but there were 1-year & 3-year. I didn't know they were
the same back then - same dose but different color label, and, of
course, a different price.

How's this for a horror story? When I moved to a very rural area in
Arkansas there was an annual rabies shot day. This was held somewhere
like a rural grocery store on a dirt road in the middle of nowhere.
The 'vet' was some old geezer in dirty overalls. He had a huge vial
of vaccine and one of those very big, very old glass syringes. He'd
fill the syringe and walk down the lengthy row of dogs shooting one
after another, usually right against the spine. He had a bottle of
alcohol in one pocket and dirty cotton hanging out of another pocket.
I never saw him use either one and he never changed the needle. When
he stopped to chat with someone, he'd stick the syringe in another
pocket. This was like a big social event - sorta like a block party.
Once I realized what was going on, I kept skipping ahead outside of
the line and asking people about their dogs -What breed is that? I
made it all of the way to the table where the certificates were being
written. I gladly paid to NOT have my dogs vaccinated. I lived there
5 years and I did the same thing every year. As far as I know, this
is still going on in areas where real vets are scarce.

I have a couple of those old glass syringes - no needles. I thought I
could use them to measure with. Nope. Regardless of the many
gradations marked on the syringe, you can't control it with any
accuracy at all.

Paula

>> What people are not seeming to understand is that not only are dogs getting
the modified live virus in a vaccine (or a killed virus in the case of the
rabies vaccine), but vaccines are made up of many ingredients, many of which are
toxic. <<



I think most people here do understand this part.



>> One can either read up about vaccines and why the same dose is dangerous to
small dogs, or continue to insist that all dogs immune systems are the same
size, therefore "small dogs should not be affected by the amount of the vaccine,
" in spite of all the evidence to the contrary that small dogs are indeed more
in danger from vaccines. <<



What you might not understand is that there are quite a few people who are not
worried about whether vaccines aren't safe for small dogs, but that they're not
safe for ANY dog.

I think you may be preaching to the choir here, there are a lot of us who choose
not to vaccinate at all, or only do core vaccinations.



Marita & JaDe
Ben & Tazzie at the Bridge
Superior, MT
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/raw4bullies/




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Absolutely--please share.  The more people that know this info, the fewer dogs
and cats who will suffer and die needlessly.
Thanks for spreading the word!


Kris King, M.S.
(719) 942-3738
rescuerehab@...
The Last Resort Small Dog Rescue, Inc
http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/CO70.html

We, as a society, must protect those without a voice from those without
compassion or a conscience.
                                                         Kris King

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: sjhabh@...
   To: BeyondVaccination@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 4:43 AM
   Subject: Re: [BeyondVax] Fw: Article on vaccinating written by a vet



   In a message dated 12/19/2009 9:08:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,
   rescuerehab@... writes:

   > My apologies-thought the name was included. It is Dr. Karen Becker

   Is it OK to cross post these articles?
   Thanks!
   Aimée

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